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good morning, and welcome to "this week." brink of war. russian forces take crimea. parliament authorizes a strike on ukraine. with the world on high alert, will vladimir putin expand his invasion? >> there will be costs for the military intervention in the ukraine. >> what will those costs be? does president obama have what it takes to prevent war. this morning, answers from secretary of state john kerry and our experts from the danger zone. plus live reports from the danger zone. culture clash. that hot button bill in arizona. a water shed moment in the fight for gay rights? our powerhouse roundtable take on that debate and all the
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week's politics. plus mr. affleck goes to washington, and nate silver cracks the oscar code. all right here this sunday morning. as we come on the air this morning, america and the west are facing the most perilous confrontation with russia since the cold war. president obama spent a tense 90 minutes on the phone with vladimir putin yesterday, warning him to withdraw from the ukraine. the unsecurity council has been meeting in an emergency session, but russia is not backing down. on the move, surrounding ukrainian military bases. the new ukrainian government put its forces on display too. it's a high-stakes and dangerous standoff. we have alex marquardt in cri a crimea. >> reporter: when the u.s. says russia has invaded, this what they mean.
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they have circled this base, demanding their surrender. russia this morning tightening its grip. a dangerous standoff in crimea, these troops lining the outer wall of a ukrainian naval base. no one going in or out. at another base this it commander said he was told twice to surrender. but he said his orders were to hold the base and he was ready to fight. they have been on the move in crimea. it's a region of ukraine home to the black sea fleet and a mostly-russian population. the u.s. says it's a russian invasion and occupation, and demanding that troops withdraw. the u.n. security council met in an emergency session yesterday. >> it's time for the russian intervention in ukraine to end. the russian military must stand down. >> reporter: during a 90-minute call on sunday, president putin told president obama that russia has the right to defend its interests and russian people.
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other international leaders joined with the u.s. british prime minister david cameron saying there's no excuse. canada recalling their ambassador from moscow. this as pro-russia fervor sweeps eastern ukraine. flags torn down from government buildings, pro-russia protesters savagely beating those who support ukraine's new government. ukraine now more divided than ever. and the prospect of war growing ever closer. it's now a high-stakes gate waiting to see who moves next. will russia complete the take over and possibly other parts or bow to american and international pressure? george. >> that is the question. vladimir putin's intervention echoes previous military moves into former soviet republicans like georgia. this is a serious challenge to america and the west. what is behind the movies? where will we go next? terry moran has more. >> reporter: in just a few
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dramatic days, vladimir putin has shown the world two sides of as i dominating style as leader of russia. first there was sochi. the olympic games were putin's personal project, seven years of work, $50 billion spent all to send a single overriding message. as he told george stephanopoulos just before the games began. >> translator: i would very much like during the olympics for the athletes, visitors, reporters and those who will follow the olympic on tv through the media for people to see a new russia. >> reporter: then came ukraine. after revolution in kiev, russian tanks, choppers and troops moved into crimea. an older, darker image of russian power. but putin has done this before. 2008, russian troops invade the neighboring nation of georgia. he claims he is defending ethnic russians there. the same rationale for the move in ukraine.
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the u.s. and oourn european allies object, but six years later, russian troops remain in georgia. and now he is telling the world he is willing to use military force in ukraine and risk a conflict with the u.s. and the west. >> we are on the edge of the not cold war, but we're on the edge. >> reporter: here's why. ukraine is divided. kiev and the rest of the country yearn to join europe and the u.s. and forge a different future. while in crimea and the east where so many ethnic russians live, they look to moscow. and they have used crimea as a major russian naval base for 200 years. on friday, obama tried to send his own message to putin. >> there'll be costs for military intervention in ukraine. >> reporter: hours later, russian troops were on the move and putin was there. >> it's clear that maybe the president of the united states has been a bit naive about him and his ambitions.
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>> reporter: george w. bush did no better managing putin, even though he declared he looked into his soul. but he cares about being feared and restoring russian greatness. the next move, solidify control over crimea, and make sure tha ukraine never ves too close to the west. or else. george. >> thanks, terry. we are joined by secretary of state, john kerry this morning. mr. secretary, thanks for joining us this morning. we have reports. russian forces surrounding ukraine military bases. they say they are on the brink of disaster. is he right? >> we hope not. we hope it's not going to be a disaster. what has happened is a brazen act of aggression in violation of international law, in violation of the u.n. charter, in violence of the helsinki
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final act, in violence of the 9 1997 ukraine/russian basing agreement. russia has engaged in a military act of aggression against another country. and it has huge risks, george. it's a 19th-century act in the 21st century that really puts at question russia's capacity to be within the g8. >> all those violations, sir. what's the penalty for what russia has already done? >> well, we're busy right now coordinating with our counterparts in many parts of the world. yesterday the president of the united states had an hour and a half conversation with president putin. he pointed out importantly that we don't want to be a larger confrontation. we are not looking for a u.s./russia, east/west redux here. what we want is for russia to work with us, with ukraine. if they have legitimate concerns, george, about russian-speaking people in
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ukraine, there are plenty of ways to deal with that without invading the country. they have the ability to work with the government. they could work with us. they could work with the u.n. they could call for observers to be put in the country. there are all kinds of alternatives. but russia has chosen this aggressive act which really puts in question russia's role in the world, and russia's willingness to be a modern nation and part of the g8. i think there are, you know, they are inviting the possibility of very serious repercussions on trade, on investment, on assets, asset freeze, visa bans. the potential of -- of actions by the global community against this unilateral step. >> specify it. is the united states willing to impose sanctions if russia doesn't back down? are you willing to go to ukraine and show solidarity with the ukrainians if russia doesn't
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back down? >> absolutely. and the united states and the president is currently considering all option s. they're all on the table. we would call on congress immediately to the degree that they are prepared to be helpful, that they immediately lay down with us an economic package in order to assist ukraine. we think it's very important for the international entities, the osce, the u.n., nato, the north atlantic council, the eu foreign affairs council which will meet tomorrow all need to weigh in. and i believe they will weigh in heavily. >> let me just pin you down on that. you're saying that congress is considering military aid to ukraine. you want congress to pass military aid to ukraine. but do you want them to impose economic -- excuse me do you want them to impose economic sanctions on russia?
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>> the day will come where we will have to engage in that sort of activity. all options are on the table. no question but that russia needs to understand this is serious. and we and the other friends and allies engaged in this are all deadly serious about this. you cannot behave this way in the 21st century and sit around the table with the normal entities and pretend that life is as usual. it is not going to be as usual. but we believe there is an alternative. we call on russia to engage with the government of ukraine. we're prepared to work very closely with russia in order to address whatever legitimate concerns may exist. we believe there are many alternatives before you get to an invasion, and none of those have been tried at this point in time. >> but the invasion's already happened, though, sir, hasn't it? >> the invasion of crimea has happened. that's absolutely accurate. and we believe that president
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puten should make the decision to roll it back. we will continue to press for that as well as for his legitimate engagement with the current government of ukraine in order to avoid further increase in the tension and the crisis. >> are there military options on the table? with georgia, president bush moved military warships to the region, sent humanitarian aid on a military aircraft, is the u.s. prepared to do that or anything more? >> the hope of the united states and everybody in the world is not to see this escalate into a military confrontation. that does not serve the world well and i think everybody understands that. the president has all options on the table. but the president's preference was clearly stated yesterday in his hour and a half conversation with president putin. president obama made it clear that we are prarep to work with russia. we understand that russia has interests in crimea. the ukraine government is prepared to respect the base agreement. nobody has threatened those russian interests. and we're prepared to stand up
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against hooligans, thuggery, individual efforts with russians in order to create stability in ukraine and allow the people of ukraine to make their choices for the future. >> but do you have any indication that president putin is taking heed of what president obama is saying? >> they just had the conversation yesterday. and the president invited him to engage with the government. i understand there may have been one phone call. we're going to continue to engage diplomatically. this is a time for diplomacy. we will engage diplomatically as much as we can in order to steer this away from an increase in the tension and the level of the crisis. nobody wants this to spiral into a bad or worse direction. the fact is there are many options available to russia by which russia can see interests met. and the most important thing to remember here is this is not, or should not be east/west,
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russian/united states, russia versus europe, this is the people of ukraine. people who stood up against snipers firing at them from the roofs who are fighting against the tyranny of having political opposition put in jail. and president putin needs to think carefully about russia's real interests here. russia may be able to invade crimea, but in the end, russia will isolate itself. there will be costs to the economy of russia, costs to russian businesses, cost to russian individuals. and ultimately, i think, russia will isolate itself on a global stage that it just spent $60 billion through the olympics to try to present a different face on. it seems to me that if russia were to step back and look at where its interests are, we ought to be able to work this out through the diplomatic process. if russia chooses not to, there will be serious repercussions.
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>> do they include the u.s. not going to the g8 summit in sochi come this summer, sir? >> it's a distinct possibility. we will hope that russia will choose to engage with us, work with the government of ukraine. choose a different direction. russia has cooperated on the s.t.a.r.t. treaty, on afghanistan, on iran. it ought to be possible to find legitimacy in this particular moment in order to be able to deal in a way that serves the world much better than this choice they've made. we're open to that. we encourage that. president obama made it clear, he prefers that. but the choice is really up to russia at this point. >> mr. secretary, thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you. let's get quick analysis with martha raddatz and republican congressman, adam kinzing kinzinger, member of the house foreign affairs compete. martha, you heard the secretary say boycotting the sochi summit a distinct possibility. and everything economic and
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military on the table. but you have been working your sources. what is realistically possible, what options are really being considered and will they make any difference? >> it's very clear the options are limited, george. you don't to want provoke putin, but you do want to be strong. we imagine putin as a hammer- handed old bear, but russians are very good at chess. he knew the reaction of the world and he took that risk. major russian interests are there in crimea, including the military bases. the threat of not coming to the g8, i can't imagine he's all that concerned. he's also heard u.s. threats before and nothing happened. nothing happened to stop in crimea. it's a fragile government with financial woes. will he stop there? we don't know. and as tery pointed out, russia troops are still in georgia and he still got the olympics. options are limited. >> and now congressman, you had
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a meeting on this tuesday. you heard secretary kerry ask can congress to pass economic aid to the ukraine. seemed open to the idea of sanctions. what's the house going to do? >> the house will be cooperative with the administration on this. we have to accept the reset with russia is over. get that on the table. time to respond with strength. it's important to talk about economic sanctions. it's important to talk about aid to the ukrainian people. to get on the record, have congress on the record supporting the inclusion of georgia into nato. talk about the fact, russia, if you want to threaten your neighbors, including the ukraine, we're going to go ahead and talk about the expansion of nato. that's important to the russians. it's important for congress, and you will see this, to stand strong with the president and say we may not be able to respond militarily, but it's a pariah state, not just for a year, but the next decade. >> okay, congressman. stick with us. and switch gears to the culture clash in arizona. it sparked so much reaction this
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week over a bill that would allow businesses to refuse services to gays and lesbian by invoking religion. jan brewer vetoed the bill. but cecilia vega reports it will not stop a nationwide debate. >> reporter: it was the arizona bill that ignited a national firestorm. >> nobody rides in the back of the bus and everybody sits at the lunch counter. we fought that battle once. that's what this battle is. >> reporter: with polls showing a public shift on gay rights. a majority of americans now support same-sex marriage. the pressure for arizona governor jan brewer to veto the bill was fierce. major american companies came out swinging, calling arizona's law bad for business. in the end, brewer vetoed the bill. >> religious liberty is a core american and arizona value. so is non-discrimination. >> reporter: this as some of the most conservative states have become the new battle ground in the same-sex marriage war.
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a federal judge striking down texas' ban. so-called religious freedom laws like the one so fiercely debated in arizona, now seen as yet another weapon in the fight by supporters of the bill. >> we want for people to have their belief systems respected without the threat of being sued. >> reporter: what about the belief system, the sexual orientation, the identity of a community, where is the respect for that? >> there needs to be some sort of mutual respect here. >> reporter: proponents are hoping to push it forward in other states. while gay rights supporters predict the same outcome. >> it was a serious miscalculation on the part of our opponents. i would be surprised if any of these gain traction. >> reporter: abc, phoenix. >> and the roundtable. the congressman is back.
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a and rich lowry, van jones, and cokie roberts. cokie, the veto, one more sign of how swiftly the culture is changing. there was so much pressure on jan brewer to issue that veto. >> the only surprising thing was how long it took her to do it. >> absolutely. >> the business community was all over her. marriott hotels saying nobody will ever go to arizona again. and the whole country, really, was up in arms. now arizona continues to do these things. you know, they have done it with immigration and they've done it with all kinds of issues. >> dr. king's birthday. >> dr. king's birthday, exactly. you never knew what they were going to end up with. but they finally ended up in a place that's not only economically sensible, but for the party. >> you call the veto foolish. >> get to the facts of this, the law was a subject of tsunami of poorly informed indignation. it was two minor changes to the religious freedom restoration act in arizona which has been on the books for 15 years.
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it's modelled on a federal law, championed by ted kennedy, signed by bill clinton. it says if you are going to substantially burden someone's exercise of a religion -- there has to be a compelling governmental interest at stake. >> pretty big -- >> the anti-gay, it was completely false. >> let me say a couple things about that. first of all, that minor expansion, it opened up a whole pandora's box. the only justifications were anti-gay justifications. that blew it up. not 57 problems, it's to do with gay folks. i'm going to tell you one thing. i'm passionate about this and a lot of people are. the one great achievement of the last century, we took out of the american lexicon six words, we don't serve your kind here. we took those out. e civil rights movement to do it. dr. king got killed trying to do that. we don't serb your kind here is not acceptable anymore. those no blacks allowed signs came down, we don't to want see no gay signs in this country.
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it was a very emotional issue -- >> that's not what it would have done. >> absolutely. >> if you own a coffee shop and refuse to serve a gay person, one, you're an idiot. two, you're not going to have a defense under this law. serving someone coffee is not a burden on your religion. the cases are bakers, florists, photographers who say, evangelical christians or catholics who say i don't have any problem with gay people, but i don't want to participate in a gay wedding because i have conscientious objections to it. they have been reported for sanctions or fines. that is wrong. that is what is trying to be addressed here. >> one of the reasons it's so important to draw these lines is we have some cases right now in the supreme court which are saying that people who are business owners, not religious institutions and not religiously-affiliated institutions like catholic hospitals, for instance, but business owners saying we don't have to provide contraceptive coverage.
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we disagree with it. >> let me brinin the congressman. do you think most of the house republican colleagues were relieved by the veto? >> what's interesting about this. as a federal guy, i don't get involved in other states i don't live in. >> good luck. >> yeah, it always works out. but it's the interesting politics. something was unjustifiably or justifiably a very big deal, you have the nfl threatening to pull out, bans being threatened. it's interesting to see how the politics work now. you can bring the free market in to bring pressure on state government. >> someone said that fortune 500 is the most effective lobby for gay rights. you made a passionate case. but how about live and let live? if a florist doesn't to want work at a gay wedding, the couple can go somewhere else. >> couple things. first of all, this idea that you can blame religion for bigotry. i heard that growing up. white adults saying god separated the races after the
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flood, after noah's ark. it's a religious obligation to maintain segregation. if you want to be a bigot on your own time, that's fine. but if you want to extend that to your lrklc, your business. but you can't point to god to excuse bigotry. >> you get the last word. >> it's different than the jim crow south. it was a state-sanctioned discrimination that was flatly unconstitutional. and there was a governmental interesting ensuring that you could travel, but you couldn't if no hotel would serve you. in this case, the wedding industry is not bristling with hostility to gay people. you are dealing with the occasional waker or florist with an objection. you can find another one. >> got to take a break. back in two minute s. and the call to action for young african-american men. magic johnson, colin powell and our experts weigh in. and later, will bill clinton
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is this something the president wanted to do? should he have acted earlier? >> when he took office, the banks were on the verge of collapse, people losing their homes, the economy in free fall, he had two wars going on. now that the economy is growing. now is the point we have to make sure that every child has an opportunity. >> reporter: colin powell said the crisis should not be a partisan issue. he acknowledged that the first african-american president has to walk a tight-rope, lest he be perceived as playing favorites. >> i think he threaded the needle well. he was concerned, as he has to be as the president of the united states, for all americans. but when you have a particular unique problem with historic roots to it, and those historic roots continue to contaminate the president, in order to prepare for the future you can't hide from this problem. >> reporter: obama called the plight of so many young people an outrage. 22,000 dead. for "this week," i'm pierre thomas, abc news, washington. >> thanks.e all social
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interventions, we have ways. we have metrics we can follow. whether the jobs have increased, the graduation rates have increased. we can certainly track the number of young people who have mentors, have people in their lives to guide them. these -- you can count these. >> one more thing. i agree with what you're saying about fatherhood. but people say, it's just up to the dads. dads got to do more. but we have this many kids in trouble, we should all do more. it's not either/or. >> nobody's been saying that. that's the problem. we have been doing programs, as we should, with compassion and concern for three decades. they haven't made much difference because nobody's willing to talk about fathers and say they're not an optional appendage to children. there's wonderful single mothers doing the best by their kids, but kids need fathers. until we can rebuild the family -- >> it's a false argument. >> let's talk about bevan, tea r
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to mitch mcconnell wrapped around the axel on whether he supported t.a.r.p. or not. it was one of the key pillars of his campaign. so far the incumbents are looking good. >> except in the house. that's where you have to look at it. texas has a big primary coming up this week. and these are safe republican districts that are empty, where the people have resigned. then what you have is a republican against a republican, and in those situations, you tend to have the more conservative republican win. >> what difference is that going to make in the house, congressman? cokie was saying, the tea party wanted a confrontation over the government shutdown. they seem to have last that. that seems so far liberated john boehner and others to say no to the tea party. >> 2014 was a low point in house politics in general. this isn't just republicans. a lot of times democrats refuse to engage on bri to the republican party.democra
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to be effective because president obama isn't going to be. raising money and -- >> i can't let that one go. >> five seconds. >> i don't think george w. bush going away and painting pictures and being a statesman. bill clinton has been on the world stage -- has been on the world stage -- >> are you attacking -- >> bill clinton has done a lot more -- >> are you attacking bush's paintings, man? >> the ex-presidents are doing good things. >> not that easy to get out of it. quick "powerhouse puzzler" this week, who is the only american president to head a labor union? be back in two minutes with that one. >> i got that one. >> the answer in two minutes. hi. i'm henry winkler.
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november. and a special all-africa-led u.n. peace keeping team has had success reducing the violence. still, affleck and feingold say that the u.s. should press the young government to do more, like hold fair elections and fix the police. >> without those things, yes, it becomes very fragile, and we can lose the progress. >> it's not going to cost a lot of money. getting the attention of the secretary and the president and the senate and the house to say this is a priority for us. that in and of itself can kind of move mountains. >> reporter: affleck will continue his work, but with a pause for tonight's oscar ceremony. let me ask you one question you were not asked on capitol hill? what are you doing for the oscars? >> my wife's presenting, i am not. but i'll probably sneak along with her. we'll have a date night. we will go to parties and have a good time. >> reporter: his wife in the oscar-nominated movie "dallas >> reporter: his wife in the oscai was going to the"dallas library to do my homework.
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